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Mitch Schneider: So...What's on the Menu?

June 18, 2009
Mitch addresses "loss-leader" advertising and/or the kind of "menu pricing" environment in which it normally flourishes.
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Once upon a time, I received a lot of  interesting letters…and, an equally interesting number of phone calls. These days, I seem to receive fewer letters, just about the same number of equally interesting phone calls and a significantly greater number of extremely interesting e-mails, perhaps because e-mails are immediate and easier to send.

These messages touch on any number of subjects, with the majority of them in response to something I’ve written, something that struck a nerve or was too close to home.

A growing number of these e-mails, calls and letters, however, look for answers and opinions.

Opinions, I have in abundance! And, for the most part, I’m not the least bit hesitant to share them. Ask anyone who knows me — and “anyone” would most assuredly include all of you!

Answers are a bit more difficult because they demand both knowledge and understanding of the subject in question, as well as a willingness to take what may have previously been reserved as an opinion to an entirely new and different level.

Frankly, I’m always flattered that anyone would be interested in what I think or what I have to say about this industry, our place in it or anything else for that matter. Perhaps, that’s why I take these e-mails, letters and calls as seriously as I do. My feeling is that if you are motivated enough to write or call, either by curiosity or by pain, I should be responsible enough to respond.

While not always successful, I try to answer everyone, and those of you who have called or written and received a response, either “instant” or “eventual,” know this. I guess you should also know that instant is usually reserved more for opinions than it is for answers. Opinions are like belly-buttons, everyone has got at least one and most of us are not only willing to share them — we are downright eager! Sometimes so eager, we make a point of offering an opinion even before it’s solicited. I know I’ve been guilty of this myself. And, while I’ve built a career around offering opinions before they are requested — that is, after all, what most columns are, I can assure you it can be and often is dangerous!

Answers, on the other hand, take time. They require at least some knowledge of the subject; a modicum of understanding with regard to the question; and the time, energy, resources and willingness to get involved and respond. This, too, can be and often is dangerous. First, and perhaps most significant, is the simple fact the person searching for an answer might not like the one you have to offer and the rejection and/or castigation that generally follows can be painful. Second, and perhaps not so obvious, is the fact that responding to someone else’s question can and often will force you to confront your own beliefs: what you think or already “know” to be true about the subject in question.

What I find so fascinating about all of this is that by virtue of the question, neither the person asking it, nor the person being asked to answer, will ever be the same. It’s all a matter of Purpose, Beliefs, Information and Behavior.

Purpose is the “why” you do something; the reason behind the investment you make or the effort involved in attempting anything. Beliefs are how you “feel” about that something; what drives you to act. Behavior is the action you are willing to take in order to accomplish your purpose; actions based upon those beliefs. Information is the wild card, a game-changer by definition and by its very nature.

Why? How?

It’s easy…

Once you have been confronted with new information (especially information relevant to your Purpose, Beliefs, Actions or Behaviors), once you have been exposed to new ideas or a different perspective and paused long enough to consider or reflect, you are forever changed. You can and never will be the same, and you can’t go back. Once that new information has been integrated or assimilated, what you think and how you feel — about anything and everything — reflects what you’ve learned; what you now know and have experienced, and by that exposure is greater than everything you knew, thought or felt before.

I received an e-mail just a few days ago that could serve as a great example of how we learn, grow and evolve; a great example of how all this plays out in reality. The author is a long-time reader and a veteran automotive service professional with experience in virtually every segment of the service industry. He is currently managing a franchise outlet and was writing to ask if I knew of any industry articles on “loss-leader” advertising and/or the kind of “menu pricing” environment in which it normally flourishes.

I wasn’t aware of any articles on the subject; at least none that addressed that specific aspect of pricing, but I was intrigued. Perhaps, because I’m not a big fan of what is generally known in marketing circles as “Product & Price-Point” advertising. I’m not a fan for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that product and price are rarely what the motorist is looking for. The motorist generally wants security and confidence. The motorist is generally searching for solutions. That isn’t to say loss leaders and/or menu pricing can’t, won’t or doesn’t work…at least for some. I’m just saying it doesn’t work for me.

Before I formulated a response, however, and took this query to the next level, I needed to know if that response called for an answer or an opinion. I needed to know exactly what the author was looking for, so I wrote back asking for more information about what prompted the question in the first place. It seems that his employers were being told that an aggressive advertising program focusing on a $69.95 brake “special” would lead to increased traffic — increased car count — and a $250 Average Repair Order. (We can talk about those goals and objectives in another column if you’d like!)

The problem was that common sense and years of experience in the industry were telling him it could only lead to trouble. And, frankly, I had to agree. But, as our dialogue progressed, I sensed a need for answers and not just opinions.

I called my editors here at Babcox and asked if we had any articles on menu pricing or loss-leader advertising. I went online and checked the forums on iATN and other online resources. I checked my own archived
e-mails as well, and there just wasn’t a lot there.

The editors felt that most professional shop owners and managers for a number of reasons frowned upon this practice. First, because it combines a compellingly low price with a non-specific description of service, like: “Brake Job, $69.95,” it can be misleading because most motorists are not sophisticated enough to formulate the right questions to ask, like “What is included? What isn’t…”

Second, because it generally advertises a service at or below cost, it implies there will be — at least at some point — an attempt to move the motorist toward a “better” product at a “slightly” higher price. A kind of: “Well, yes. That is the price for THAT brake service and THOSE brake pads. But, you wouldn’t want to have to depend upon THOSE pads to stop your car if you had your wife, kids, mother or — fill in the blank — in the car!” A kind of Bad, Good, Better, Best pricing menu that finds its way to the evening news all too often.

Third, because the description “Brake Job” or “Brake Service” is often nebulous at best, and downright misleading at worst. It can and often does result in “Buyer’s Remorse,” something none of us needs to deal with.

The information on iATN mirrored what our editors had to say almost exactly, as did my own archived
e-mails. But what does it all mean in terms of Purpose, Beliefs, Behavior and Action?  

It starts with a simple question: What is our purpose with regard to the people we serve: the motoring
public, our customers and clients? Why are we here? And, what are we here to accomplish?

If our purpose is solely to make money, menu pricing and loss-leader advertising almost make sense. Both are effective at drawing in at least two distinct and well-defined types of clients: price-shoppers and the unsuspecting.

Price-shoppers are people who search and struggle to find the lowest price for anything almost as if it were a game. And, I would suggest to you these folks are anything but clients. The unsuspecting are those individuals who genuinely cannot tell the difference between the cost of a product or service and value; that which you receive for the money you spend.

If our only purpose is to make money, then menu pricing and loss-leader advertising would be consistent with both our beliefs and our behaviors.

If, on the other hand, our purpose is to keep our customers safe, to increase the service life of their vehicles and to reduce their overall service cost — we have to wonder where tactics and policies like menu pricing and loss-leader advertising fit in. Or, at least, I have to because they wouldn’t be consistent with either our purpose or our beliefs, which would then demand a different set of behaviors.

But, that’s just my opinion based upon what I know, the research I’ve done, the information I’ve been exposed to, the experiences I’ve had and my willingness to continually challenge my own beliefs and belief systems.

The real question is, what do you think about menu pricing and loss-leader advertising? Perhaps more important, what do you think our overall purpose is? Is there an over-arching, over-riding principle that drives the service industry — at least, for the majority of us? Is it all about the money? Or, is it somewhere in between?

Are menu pricing and loss-leader advertising “good” for the industry, good for us? Or, is it counter-productive? And, if it is counter-productive, if it is contrary to our purpose, what can we do to change the beliefs that make it acceptable, and then change the behaviors associated with those beliefs?

How do you feel about menu pricing and loss-leader advertising? What’s your purpose? Is your behavior consistent with your beliefs? Let me know what you think and how you feel about this and other important questions (you can e-mail me at mschneider@babcox.com). Consider it a first step in mapping the service industry’s collective DNA. Let’s begin an exploration of this important issue and all the other important questions and issues confronting our industry today. And, who knows, when it’s all over, there just may be fewer questions and issues for all of us to contemplate. If nothing else, at least we will all know what’s on the automotive service industry menu.

Submit a Comment   Comments (13)
Comment by:
Mitch Schneider
8/11/2009
10:18 AM
Hi, Kyle Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I wasn't ignoring you...I was just on vacation and “off the grid,” so to speak. In my opinion, the entire pricing paradigm in our industry needs to overhauled...or, at least re-examined. The old piece-work, flat-rate, flag-hour system undermines everything a young technician like you who is proud – or, would like to be proud of his or her finished product is trying to accomplish. Having said that, it seems to be the only model most “experienced” techs want – or, at least that's the way it seems to be just about everywhere I have been. People want to be rewarded for their investment in the tools they purchase, the classes they take and the broken and bleeding knuckles they have acquired sacrificing at the alter of Our Lady of Auto Repair! The question seems to be: How do you do that without a “Performance-Based Pay System,” like Flag-Hour? We’ve done it with a high guarantee that assures our techs will be able to keep body and soul together regardless of what’s in the shop and by allowing them to participate in the estimating process: not perfect...but, functional. My guess is the guy who comes up with the answer will get rich beyond his or her wildest dreams. The whole problem seems to be exacerbated by Loss-Leader advertising and the pressures reduced margins invariably create. Your example of the sum (hours charged for a complete inspection) being less than the parts! The only way we have a shot of getting it all straightened out is by creating the kind of dialogue we've started here... Thanks for adding your thoughtful and considered opinion. It's young techs like you who will ultimately have the responsibility of saving our industry!
Comment by:
Mitch Schneider
7/13/2009
10:07 AM
"Gee, thank you for taking the time to write... Up until the time we opened our shop here in Simi Valley, our family has almost always been in the service station busines. So, I understand the use of fuel as a tool to attract business. But, I'm not sure it is the same thing as discounting brakes, alignments or A/C service... And, from your comments below, I'm pretty sure you make that distinction as well. The problem we have is educating all of "them" to the realities we have come to know as true: doing better work on fewer cars at higher margins for the right people is the secret to success and not smoking your wheels with incredibly high car counts that fill your bays with low-margin jobs. Hopefully, more shop owners will learn what you already know... That quality is important and making a profit is not 'evil.'
Comment by:
KYLE KEATS
7/12/2009
6:33 PM
After reading this article, and the responses to it, I find myself a bit aggravated. Aggravated the same way I get when I have to deal with this situation on a daily basis at work, but I am not at work today, I am at home trying to enjoy a day off. I notice that most of these responses appear to be coming from the management side of our industry, so I'd like to offer my "opinion" from the young technician side of it. To sum up my beliefs on loss leaders I will say this: I feel it is unnecessary and counterproductive to slash the prices of certain services just to compete with other shops. Does for some reason the quality of workmanship, and skill of the technician degrade from service to service? I personally feel that my individual service and care are worth something, and should be charged for accordingly. Attempting to get back on point, I thought about loss leaders from a tech standpoint, one that really gets my blood boiling. At my shop, (which happens to be a very large chain), the tech is paid
Comment by:
Gee Faison
7/9/2009
1:22 PM
I look forward to your column every month as I have for most of the 26 years I have been in business. I am the anthesis os a skilled technician. My background is is in sales, marketing, and customer service. I have a team that has been together for 20 years serving the neighborhood I grew up in. I have a loss leader, gasoline. I was an EXXON dealer for 20 years until they sold me my property 6 years ago. I lose money pumping gas but I gain service and repair customers by providing pump service. I am not looking for customers looking for a deal. We use only the best parts predicated on the vehicle. The aftermarket is ripe with quality but we use OE parts when our experience dictates. We also sell security and confidence with a heavy dose of customer service. we do things the mass marketers are unwilling or unable to do. The majority of our new busines is referral. I am a great believer in spending a little more to "WOW" the customer than spending a great amount on A "deal" promotion that will bring in customer
Comment by:
Mitch Schneider
7/9/2009
12:40 AM
First of all, I'd like to thank all of you for such thoughtful and telling comments. Rather than go into a great deal of detail here I'd like to invite you to keep watching for a column whose working title is, "And, On The Seventh Day..." where I'll set forth my concerns and observations. Again, thank you all for taking the time to respond... Mitch
Comment by:
James W. Gordon
7/8/2009
9:44 AM
Here at our shop, we have one thing we consider a loss-leader, our oil change services. More less you could say, price locked or frozen. We looked at our cost for the parts necessary and Technicians cost/time and just a tic of profit. We still don’t have the cheapest oil change in town (which includes a vehicle inspection), but, then again, we don’t want to. And our customers seemed pleased at the reasonable cost of this service. So, why do we call it our loss-leader?, Because it is. But we are wanting to get the customers in here, show them who we are, what we do, what we believe. And you understand the Technician’s side of this, find what the customer/vehicle needs.
Comment by:
DORSEY JOHNSON
6/30/2009
11:12 PM
menu pricing has been around forever, and the motive has always been the same. Get them in the door then sock it to them. It seems like 30 years ago we would think that over a period of time we could educate the public about this issue. But now we have a whole new generation of drivers to educate. I think the chains and other discounters feel they have to do this because they have a difficult time developing good repeat customers who send them more customers. thanks for the article and remember talk is cheap, but it takes money to buy whiskey.
Comment by:
Rich Kamphaus GM Bartel's Auto Clinic
6/28/2009
6:22 PM
My view point on loss leaders and menu pricing is that you generally don't want to offer these services because the only thing you can menu price these days are oil changes and usually about 10% of those will turn into a loss leader if your not careful where you set your price point. When our customers call in for a price it's usually because they don't know what else to ask. WE DON'T give prices over the phone. We ask them what type of concern they're having, and tell them that today's vehicles are all different and very complex, and each vehicle needs to be inspected by an ASE certified technician. We ask them to bring their car in for a FREE INSPECTION and a NO CHARGE ESTIMATE. If they are serious about quality and not just looking for the cheapest price they will either bring in the car now or set an appointment at their earliest time of convenience. This will allow you to control your phone time and increase your car count. We believe that Service as well as convenient hours of operation always wins
Comment by:
Roland Grandy Sunrise Auto repair
6/26/2009
8:51 AM
Me personally at my shop customers that shop and try to low ball I dont view them as potential customers they watse my time and will go next door to save twenty dollars.
Comment by:
Mike Almack All-Care Automotive
6/26/2009
7:24 AM
We pride ourseives at inspecting a customers car and price him what the car needs not what he thinks it needs, they are usually not the same thing. We had a customers bill from a chain store thatstarted out as a $59 brake special which turned out to be over $600 which also had shop supplies of $40 on it, as a shop owner I refuse to bait anyone to get them in my door
Comment by:
Paul C Safranski
6/25/2009
9:58 PM
Loss leaders are used by large retail chains, and franchise's because they need lots of car count. As a former franchise operator I saw first hand what was expected. The franchise H.Q.'s wanted volume and more volume. They use the loss leaders to upsell to other service's. As a independant shop owner now I want all of my clients to have the best parts possible. Unfortunately not all of them in my town can afford the best. In that case we give them an alternative option. The parts and labor warranty is not as long but, the priceis less. I have found that the better the warranty we offer the more referrals we recieve. I think this is because people appreciate better coverage. In a heavy industrial town with a high unemployment rate some of our clients need options, so we offer that to them.
Comment by:
Dennis Roennebeck
6/25/2009
5:27 PM
We do not do loss leader advertising but we do take the time to work with price shoppers - this is because most people do not know what they need just how much does it cost , this is our turn to educate them and make them potential customers - we do not offer good, better , best parts to our customers. I let them know the parts we use on their car are the same parts I use on my own vehicles.
Comment by:
Mark W Gildon
6/25/2009
3:32 PM
Loss leaders are only used by those that cannot stand on quality of service or quality of parts used. If someone is only price shopping then I don't consider them as a potential customer. It may sound as though I'm trying to send away business, but in the interest of time versus work output, I need to not have to deal with the low ball price game. I'm a 1 man shop & I know my work quality will bring in the quality customer's I deserve to work for. Price games are for those that need some kind of car count increase to meet a quota, not for those of us that perform quality car care to quality car customers. Thanks for letting me air my voice. MWG
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