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Second Generation Repairs: Servicing the GM 3800 Series II Engine

May 12, 2009
The GM 3800 Series II engine, introduced in 1995, is quite a different engine from its predecessor, the Series I engine. While the stroke for the 3.8L engine remained at 3.4" (86 mm), and the bore remained at 3.8" (97 mm), the engine architecture changed dramatically.
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The GM 3800 Series II engine, introduced in 1995, is quite a different engine from its predecessor, the Series I engine. While the stroke for the 3.8L engine remained at 3.4” (86 mm), and the bore remained at 3.8” (97 mm), the engine architecture changed dramatically.

The deck height is shorter than the Series I, which reduced its weight and total engine package size. To make this change, GM engineers required that the piston connecting rods be shortened 1” (25 mm), and to redesign the crankshaft. A new intake manifold improved breathing, while a redesigned cylinder head featured larger valves and a higher compression ratio. The result was a 205 hp and 230 lb.-ft. powerplant that had better fuel economy.

To meet emissions standards of the ’90s, an EGR tube was placed in the intake manifold to reduce combustion temperatures. This increased fuel mileage by a substantial margin and provided GM some engineering success. In fact, the 3800 Series II was on the Ward’s 10 Best Engines list 1995 through ’97.

However, in April, 2009, GM issued a recall on 1.5 million vehicles with this engine due to an oil leak issue that could result in a fire. (See the sidebar at the end of this article).

Figure 1
Did You Know…
The Buick 3.8L has evolved from its humble beginnings as a cheap, easy-to-build, economy motor in 1962, into one of the best pushrod motors in the world.

But did you know that the engine started its “life” as a Buick V8 that had two cylinders “missing”? That was to allow GM to machine it on the same line as their V8 with common tooling. Unfortunately, that meant it had two cylinders missing in the firing order — making it a strange-sounding, rough-riding, odd-firing engine.

While that was fine for the 1960s, it wasn’t good enough in the ’70s and in 1977, Buick split the crank pins to make it into an even-fire motor with smother performance.

Unfortunately, the engine still had a severe primary imbalance because it was a 90° block with a 120° firing order. GM engineers realized that the 3800 would still need a balance shaft to make it suitable for the upscale FWD cars later on. As the engine evolved into the Series I, a gerotor oil pump and roller lifters were added in ’86, on-center bores were added in ’88 along with the balance shaft, and a one-piece rear seal was introduced in ’90.

The 3800 was completely updated in ’95 when it became the Series II motor that was lower, lighter, smoother and more powerful than any of its earlier variations.

Amazingly, it’s been installed in more than 6 million vehicles since 1995. Production of the renowned 3800 V6 engine was officially ended in August 2008, nearly 10 years beyond the automaker’s original plan to cease 3800 engine production in 1999.

That’s quite a tribute to any pushrod motor, let alone one that started in life as a rough-running, odd-firing V6 in the ’60s.
Source: GM media and Engine Builder magazine

Regardless of the recent recall, the 3800 Series II has been a workhorse for GM and has provided years of dependable service. Because of its longevity and use in various GM vehicles, it’s probably an engine that you have become accustomed to seeing in your shop for routine service.

The following are a few common service repairs for the Series II engine.

Abnormal Engine Coolant Consumption or Coolant Leak
Models: 1995-’97 Buick Riviera; 1995-’99 Buick LeSabre, Park Avenue; 1996-’99 Buick Regal; 1998-’99 Chevrolet Lumina, Monte Carlo; 1995-’96 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight; 1995-’99 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight; 1998-’99 Oldsmobile Intrigue; 1995-’99 Pontiac Bonneville; and 1997-’99 Pontiac Grand Prix with the 3.8L engine.

Note: This bulletin, issued in September 2007, is being revised to add to the 1999 model year. You should discard the previous GM Corporate Bulletin Number 01-06-01-007B (Section 06 - Engine).

Condition: Some customers may comment on excessive engine coolant consumption, or an engine coolant leak near or under the throttle body area of the upper intake manifold.

This could be related to upper intake manifold composite material that may degrade around the EGR stove pipe and could result in an internal or external coolant leak.

To make the repair, follow the upper intake manifold removal instructions found in the Engine Unit Repair section of the service information manual.

Figure 2

Refer to the arrow in the illustration of the upper intake manifold (see Figure 1).

Inspect the inner diameter of the EGR passage for signs of material degradation. Degradation will appear as “pitting” of the composite material in the EGR port passage.

If degradation of upper intake manifold composite material is found, replace the lower and upper intake manifolds with the following part numbers:

Part Number    Description
89017554    Gasket Kit, Upper Intake Manifold  
89017272    Manifold Kit, Upper Intake
89017400    Gasket, Lower Intake Manifold  
24508923    Manifold, Lower Intake  

Follow the lower and upper intake manifold installation instructions found in the Engine Unit Repair section of the appropriate service manual.

If degradation is not apparent, evaluate the vehicle for other causes of excessive coolant consumption as noted in the Engine Diagnosis section of the appropriate service manual.

Revised Crankshaft Balancer Service Procedure
Next up, you may have an engine that requires service to the crankshaft balancer on the following vehicles: 1995-’96 Buick LeSabre, Park Avenue, Regal, Riviera; 1995 Chevrolet Lumina APV; 1995-’96 Chevrolet Camaro; 1995 Oldsmobile Silhouette; 1995-’96 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight, Ninety-Eight; 1995 Pontiac Trans Sport; 1995-’96 Pontiac Bonneville and Firebird with 3800 engines.

Be advised that the procedure used to service the crankshaft balancer has been revised. Use the following procedure to properly service the crankshaft balancer on these engines.

According to GM, there has been a running design change in the crankshaft balancer. This change affects 3800 engines built late in the 1995 model year (L27 and L36) and all of 1996 model year (L36 and L67). Refer to the appropriate section in the service manual if you have the previous design crankshaft balancer. Refer to the following procedure using (J 38197-MOD) for the revised design crankshaft balancer. The crankshaft balancer designs can be easily identified by a dimple stamped in the face of the crankshaft balancer (see Figure 2, view B).

This dimple aids in the alignment of J 38197-2 and also identifies the crankshaft key location in relation to the slot in the crankshaft balancer. The special tool (J 38197) and the service procedure used to service the previous design crankshaft balancer have not been revised. Refer to applicable service manual and section for correct service procedures.

For the revised crankshaft balancer design, you will see a round hole drilled in the face of the crankshaft balancer (see Figure 2, view A). This hole does not aid in the alignment of J 38197-2, like the dimple on the previous designed crankshaft balancer. The hole is used to identify the crankshaft key location in relation to the slot in the crankshaft balancer.

Figure 3

The special tool (J 38197) has been revised to reflect the design changes and the new tool is
J 38197-MOD. (If you already have J 38197, it is necessary to only order the J 38197-MOD). The revised crankshaft balancer requires the use of three bolts (J 38197-4). Note: These bolts are 1/4” longer than the previous design. The J 38197-4 bolts are silver, while the previous tool uses black bolts.

Note: The J 38197-4 tool should not be used to service the previous design crankshaft balancer as damage to the balancer may occur by using the longer bolts.

The revised crankshaft balancer may have burrs on the slotted access holes that do not allow the proper alignment of J 38197. If burrs are present, remove them by using one of the following methods:

• File the access hole using a rat-tail file in the proper location.
• Drill an access hole using a drill in the proper location.
• Bend the access hole using a screwdriver in the proper location.

Removal Procedure
1. Hold the flywheel using  J 37096 (see Figure 3).
2. Locate the crankshaft balancer bolt.
3. Remove the crankshaft balancer using J 38197-A and J 38197-MOD (see Figure 4 on page 30).
a. Invert the J 38197-2 so that the leg of the tool is facing away from the crankshaft balancer.
b. Install the silver screws (J 38197-4) to the crankshaft balancer.
c. Turn the J 38197-1 to remove the crankshaft balancer from the crankshaft.
d. Remove the J 38197-1, 2 and 4 from the crankshaft balancer.

Important: The crankshaft balancer is serviced as an assembly. Do not attempt to separate the pulley from the balancer hub.

Figure 4

Tools Required
J 36660 Torque Angle Meter
J 37096 Flywheel Holding Tool
J 38197-A and J 38197-MOD Crankshaft Balancer Puller
J 38197-A Includes:
J 38197-1 Pilot Screw
J 38197-2 Puller Plate
J 38197-3 Puller Screws (Black)
J 38197-4 Puller Screws (Silver)
J 38197-MOD includes:
J 38197-4 Puller Screws (Silver)

Installation Procedure
1. First, lubricate the crankshaft and the inside of the balancer with clean engine oil.
2. Lineup the crankshaft balancer using the small hole to aid in the alignment of the crankshaft key.
3. Install the crankshaft balancer bolt and hold the flywheel using
J 37096.
4. Tighten the bolt to 150 Nm (111 lb.-ft.) + 76° using J 36660.
Source: ALLDATA

General Motors Issues Recall on 3800 V6 Powered Vehicles
General Motors is recalling nearly 1.5 million 1997-2003 vehicles equipped with the 3.8L V6 naturally aspirated engine.

Affected vehicles include: 1997-2003 Buick Regal; 2000-’03 Chevrolet Impala; 1998-’99 Chevrolet Lumina; 1998-2003 Chevrolet Monte Carlo; 1998-’99 Oldsmobile Intrigue and 1997-2003 Pontiac Grand Prix. 

GM said some of these vehicles have a condition in which drops of engine oil may be deposited on the exhaust manifold through hard braking. If the manifold is hot enough and the oil runs below the heat shield, it may ignite into a small flame and may spread to the plastic spark plug wire channel and beyond, increasing the risk of an engine compartment fire.

GM said dealers will remove the spark plug wire retention channel at the front of engine and install two new spark plug wire retainers free of charge. The recall is expected to begin this month and owners and technicians can contact Chevrolet at 1-800-630-2438, Oldsmobile at 1-800-630-6537, and Pontiac at 1-800-620-7668.
Source: General Motors 

Submit a Comment   Comments (78)
Comment by:
marc
7/27/2010
11:01 PM
just bought an 01 regal has 160k car runs great looking to replace crankshaft sensor.. is this a hard job?
Comment by:
Larry Carley
7/27/2010
9:22 PM
For Rick: If the smoke is blue, it's oil, probably coming down worn valve guides or past worn valve guide seals.
Comment by:
rick
7/27/2010
9:05 PM
i have 03 grand prix gtp 3800 it has blue smoke coming from exhaust pipes but does"t smell like burn"t oil compression is 120 on all 6 cylinders plugs are not fouled
Comment by:
Travis
7/23/2010
3:24 PM
My mother has 95 olds 88. repaired upper intake(Dorman makes the intake kit avail most parts stores 110.00)ran great for 3 weeks. thermostat stuck few days ago engine heated up quickly before i could get pulled over almost to the 300 mark. shut it off right away. cooled done open up stst engine ran bad and knocked.put lucas oil additve started it up ran great no noise for 3 min knocked once and died wont hardly turn over. ia it possible oil pump lost its prime from overheat? pulling oil pan later see what damage is done. so far no mettallics in oil.
Comment by:
Richard
7/21/2010
3:45 PM
I've a 2001 Monte Carlo SS. My problem is high engine temps. The cooling fans do not operate while in traffic, and I don't know why. The fan relay was replaced, engine temp sensor replaced, checked all connections (which are OK) but still the fans won't run. I have the car at the repair shop and they think the PCM is bad but are reluctant to change it since it is a pricey part and may not even be the culprit. Have you any suggestions?
Comment by:
carl garrison
7/19/2010
12:33 PM
own a 98 bonny with 3800 series 11, intake replaced at 140 thd, now at 160 thd, noises from engine when up to op-temp, no noises when cold. mechanic replaced water pump,no help. then replaced cat-converter,no help. I took the serp-belt off all accs. noise still there. could this possibly be the harmonic balancer making this noise. engine runs perfect otherwise. any info about this noise would be greatly appreciated.
Comment by:
Rudy Torres
7/13/2010
10:52 PM
3800 V6 in my 1999 GTP. The Check Engine Soon light came on and I did a visual and one of the rear spark plug wires came off and I tried to rear back there and there is not enough room. How can I change the plugs and what are the best plug and plug wires should I put on?

Comment by:
Denis Vachon
7/11/2010
11:12 AM
I have a 95 regal 3800 and was leaking at top of motor and was repaired by replacing valve cover and plenum gaskets, and now seems to be leaking at front of motor and spinning all over front of motor,hood and leaves a fair size puddle where ever i park. What could this be, maybe the crank cover or seal?????????
Comment by:
fei
7/4/2010
6:21 PM
Where is the oil sensor located on a 2000 buicl lesabre. its a 3800 engine
Comment by:
david sowers
6/22/2010
8:13 PM
1998 camaro 3.8 litre 3800 series II coolant leaking above water pump from this forum sounds like i need upper and lower gaskets right? advice please thanks
Comment by:
ted bernat
6/18/2010
7:39 AM
does the 1996 3800 engine have a rear cam plug??
Comment by:
Cedric Collins
6/17/2010
9:54 PM
Replaced Plenum and Lower Intake gasket in a Pontiac Bonneville 3.8 but water is coming out of the throttle body and drown out the spark plugs. Need advice
Comment by:
jake
6/8/2010
3:59 PM
some days car starts every time and runs fine
Comment by:
jake
6/8/2010
3:54 PM
year 2000 bonneville series 2 3.8 scans clean but now and then cold or hot car starts runs rough kills and starts and drives fine by third start fuel filter cam shaft sensor crank sensor are new fuel rail pressure checked out and so did all ignition components no check codes are being put out im lost and ready to sell
Comment by:
tim manturk
6/6/2010
8:21 PM
I have a 95 buick regal gs. It does not start at times, intermittent. Good spark. When it doesn't dtart it fires once and dies just that fast. Changed plugs, wires. Had coils tested. Would I still have good spark if crank sensor was bad? How would you know if the crank sensor was bad? Help please
Comment by:
larry
5/25/2010
10:02 PM
3800 2 series starts to misfires when rained on..after 3 or 4 days better..has been looked at 3 times..not much luck yet plug wires have been replaced any help ty
Comment by:
Michael
5/22/2010
4:20 PM
@ Pete Thanks alot for the info. I really appreciate it. It's not that expensive so I am going to replace the whole upper intake manifold and put all new gaskets on.
Comment by:
Pete F.
5/20/2010
8:12 PM
This is for Micheal..



Yes the intake manifold (upper) is the same thing as a plenum. In order to do the work such as a lower intake gasket or the upper soes NOT mean you have remove the engine. The upper gasket, all you have to do is take off the olenum and there it is. The lower you have to go deeper into the engine which is just 1 more level below the intake manifold.

as far as the sweet smell of burned coolant, it could be that the coolant is spraying out of either a hose of maybe even dripping down from the heater core and making contact with something very very hot such as the exhaust manifold or the engine block itself. So then in that case have a pressure test done and they should be able to pinpoint where the leak is coming from.

no you don't have to replace both of them. Usually if the lower is bad, there will be a off-white cream on the oil dipstick which constitutes coolant being mixed with oil. Otherwise if you just have coolant leaking, I would have a shop do a coolant dye test and get a better idea of where the leak is coming from. If the technician is guessing and doesn't want to do the work then you will hear some sort of an excuse that ''the whole engine has to come out'' or stuff like that..lol. To do either gasket isn't hard at all just remember to torque down all the internal and plenum bolts to proper specs. The upper intake gasket, has a torque of 62inch lbs and the rest you can look up in the book.
Comment by:
michael
5/17/2010
12:35 AM
Hello I have a 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix GT (3800 series 2 engine) I have a coolant leak that smells like maple syrup being cooked! My mechanic said it was a plenum gasket leak? (I generally do not like just one answer) Does this sound correct? He says the whole motor has to be taken out is that correct? Do you have to replace both the upper and lower gaskets? I have the Haynes repaie manual is the plenum the same thing as the upper intake manifold? I plan to try installing them myself any info would be greatly appreciated Thanks
Comment by:
john .j
5/12/2010
5:09 AM
hi i got a 1995 olds 88 LS 4d FWD 3800 seires II...wen i changed from park to drive ,,,or reverse to drive it kicks .....wat may be the problem.....and i repeatedly replaced my gaskets doe to intake manifold leaks coolant into the engine causing engine to turn off with blown head gasket symptoms ....does GM have a chrome upper intake manifold for my car
Comment by:
Israel
5/4/2010
1:57 PM
Reply to Alex Comment by:

Alex

5/2/2010

1:15 AM Hi there, I just bought a 97 camaro with the 3800 .....



Alex Replace the gas pressure regulator must be at fuel rail
Comment by:
Ryan Williams
5/2/2010
6:00 PM
I just bought a 1995 Buick LeSabre, and I believe it to have the series II. The guy I bought it from gave me this explanation: "It started clicking loudly driving down the road, then just cut off. I had it towed to a shop, and they simply said 'The motor was done.'" He had it towed back to his house, fired it up (made a horrible grinding sound), backed it into a spot, and left it parked for 6 months. Now I've pulled the valve covers, and see no obvious damage. Is there anything in particular this sounds like it could be, or perhaps, other common problems resulting in this? I'm rather hesitant to pull the fuel rail and plenum, but I think that's going to be my next move.
Comment by:
Larry Carley
5/2/2010
1:22 PM
For Alex: Don't waste any more money replacing parts unnecessarily. Diagnosis is the key to fixing these kinds of problems. You may have a lean fuel mixture due to a vacuum leak, low fuel pressure, or an EGR valve that isn't closing. These kinds of faults often don't set any codes. Also, your high mileage engine may have a compression problem due to weak valve springs, burned exhaust valves or worn cam lobes. You need to do a compression test.
Comment by:
Alex
5/2/2010
1:15 AM
Hi there, I just bought a 97 camaro with the 3800 series II engine. it has almost 190k miles on it and the engine is hard to start, runs rough and stalls out. I have replaced the TPS, MAF sensor, spark plugs and wires, IAC valve, intake temp sensor, and PCV valve. I even bought a OBD II scantool to try and figure out what else could be wrong with the car. Any advice????
Comment by:
Albanypark
4/26/2010
7:32 AM
I have a 2002 Camaro coupe with the Series II 3800 motor and Y87 regular production option (limited slip, lower gearing). Most of the problems for this engine seem to be linked to the FWD versions - is that correct? Also, the tach begins redline at 5600 rpm on my car, not 5200 rpm, which is what all the manuals seem to say is the correct redline. What's up with that? Thanks
Comment by:
Linda Sweet
4/18/2010
4:15 PM
I have a 1997 Pontiac Bonneville with 3800 series II V6, it does not have a recall sticker on it, and the engine has been acting up. What should I do to solve the problem?
Comment by:
Jim Simpson
4/14/2010
7:15 AM
So...there's no tooth fairy huh? after much consideration, I have come to the conclusion that it's sucking trash out of the sump, clogging the screen and the oil pump is possibly bad too. Shutting it down just allows the trash to fall away from the screen to clear it for a while. I am so not looking forward to dropping the pan on this thing.
Comment by:
Jim Simpson
4/13/2010
9:58 PM
Working on a 98 Intrigue 3800, I repaired a coolant leak (#1 cylinder), new head gasket, new intake gaskets. Looks like the left head intake gasket had been leaking for a long time. There was a ton of sludge in the valve cover and on the valve train. The leak is fixed but now I have another problem, the change oil indicator keeps coming on. I flushed the crankcase twice and the oil was really nasty. It's clean looking now (after 2 flushes and 4 changes) but, the change oil idiot light still keeps coming on after about 30 minutes of idle run time or a really short drive (500 feet). I stated to notice that the lifters start ticking the instant the light comes on. If I reset the idiot light, the lifters quit making noise. At first I thought the filters were clogging from debris and the lifters were starving for oil, now I am wondering is there a PCM/ECM controlled bypass valve that is actuated when the Change Oil indicator illuminates? It's really strange, ticking = light and light = ticking/no light, no ticking.
Comment by:
James
3/31/2010
7:00 PM
My 1995 bonneville ssei makes a knocking sound when i start it up AND makes less noise the faster you go What can it be ? and how much to fix ? please help
Comment by:
shylo
3/30/2010
12:51 AM
I have 96,buick regal GS 3800...small amount of oil has appeared in my radiator...(I'm assuming head gaskets?) but prior to that she started giving me trouble starting after reaching normal driving temp. and being turned off...motor would attempt to turn over and not quite make it..but she fires right up from dead cold? Love my boat need a soulution not a goose chase...
Comment by:
Jay Sicht
3/21/2010
3:29 PM
TIm Duncan: I know yours was an old posting, but you asked why the lower aluminum intake manifold needs to be replaced at the same time as the faulty upper composite intake plenum.

That's a very good question, and one I had seven years ago when my '98 Bonneville had a problem with the plenum degrading around the stove pipe.

The revised parts have a smaller stove pipe in the aluminum intake manifold, which consequently allows for more material to be added to the upper composite plenum, increasing durability. My old one was degraded from the heat from the EGR heat; one could literally scrape off plastic material off the passage with one's finger. This is where the coolant was leaking into the intake of the engine.
Comment by:
scott
3/11/2010
9:18 PM
02 impala ls 3800 series II bought at 80k had to get engine replaced due to multiple coolant leak which lead to block cracking after being replaced 16k down the road ive replaced fuel filter and air filter and do normal pm, but it will occasionally idle odd and be fine after i tap on gas wondered if it was serious and any suggestions for special pm i need to consider
Comment by:
Bryan
3/4/2010
9:47 PM
I have a 96 Pontiac Firebird w/the 3800 series ii, the exhaust manifold has a leak I believe because when I accelerate there is a strange whistling sound, however there is also a ticking noise to the engine and when I listen to the right side of the block it almost sounds like the rod is thrown or the valve needs to be replaced, idk what is wrong with the car and need some advice on what to do.
Comment by:
chris
1/15/2010
12:57 PM
i have a 97 grand prix with a 3.8l i changed the starter first and i had no problem but the next day it started once and didnt start anymore i changed the battery and still not getting anything whats going on?
Comment by:
Tim Tank
1/6/2010
6:25 PM
I have the same problem as daniel watson of 8/19/09. have a 3800 with a oil leak coming from the front seal. replaced seal etc still have leaks. surfaces are clean. what could this be. oil pump damaged, leaking by. ???
Comment by:
Larry Carley
12/28/2009
10:58 PM
For Rob: If you are having repeat alternator failures because of bearing problems, I suspect there is too much tension on the belt. Tghe automatic tensioner may be bad, or the alternator mounting may be cocked causing misalignment on the pulley.
Comment by:
Rob
12/28/2009
6:34 PM
Alternator issue I have changed the alternator about 2 months ago and got the car about 4 months ago, and just learned that the previous owner had changed the alternator recently, before selling. When I discovered the issue 2 months ago, I originally thought it was the water pump, because it sounded like water pump bearings going. When I took the serpentine belt off, I noticed that the alternator did not sound right when I spun the wheel freely. So, I had it checked and it was no good. I bought a used one, because new ones are expensive, and was good to go. I now have the same problem. Making same sound and engine lacks power when highway driving. Obviously the alternator is bad, and I thought for a moment that it seems unlikely that it was just another alternator that has gone bad, but think this is a problem, because the previous owner bought a new alternator. I assume this is probably a short some where or another component is causing this. So my question is: Are there any common problems of this nature with these cars or any significant common issues causing the alternator to keep going out. Any advise would be appreciated.
Comment by:
John Michael
12/23/2009
9:43 PM
97 LeSabre, bad squeling v vibration and knock, changed coils, stopped driving, car will not restart, changed starter, good engagement, removed harmonic ballance, can turn engine with HB bolt but can't turn HB bolt with starter even though starter will make pistons move. 97 230K plus. Could engine have been running with a broken crank?
Comment by:
curtis tomblin
12/15/2009
4:10 PM
i have 2001 monto carlo bought new has 73950 miles on it loss of power seems to be runing on 5 cyclenders 3.8 v-6 runs smooth not missing just lost of power checked plugs looks good took it to gm recall plugs wire clips replaced any suggestions thanks
Comment by:
jim sneathen
12/12/2009
11:23 AM
95 buick, 3800, 100,000 miles plus, blew the core out of a sparkplug on cowl side. Any easy fix without pulling head?
Comment by:
Bobby
12/10/2009
3:26 PM
HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP. I have a 1999 pontiac grand prix with the series 2 v6 motor and it sucks so bad i need help in advice to put the motor in my 1995 buick lesabre with the series 2 v6. into my pontiac and the tranny too. PLEASE CALL 704 235 8917 HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP
Comment by:
will
12/8/2009
12:04 AM
my 99 grand am with a 3.8 series 2 the tranny grinds and clunks changed both axels what else could it be in the tranny
Comment by:
Lou
12/6/2009
7:21 PM
Own a 2001 LeSabre that has a fuel leak at the fuel rail fitting. Can the seal inside the fitting be replaced or do I have to replace the entire line assy.
Comment by:
ANTONIO PINEDA
12/5/2009
11:34 PM
HOLA AMIGOS ALGUIEN ME PODRIA DECIR DE DONDE BAJO EL MANUAL DE TALLER DEL CHEVROLET IMPALA 2000 MOTOR 3800
Comment by:
ANTONIO PINEDA
12/5/2009
10:56 PM
HOLA AMIGOS TENGO UN IMPALA AÑO 2001 MOTOR 3600SERIE II ME PASA REFRIGERANTE PARA LOS PISTONES Y EL ACEITE YA LE CAMBIE EL PLENO DE JUNTA DE DE INYECTORES Y SIGUE EL PROBLEMA QUE PUEDE SER NECESITO AYUDA GRACIAS
Comment by:
topper
11/27/2009
9:06 AM
i noticed a comment about spun engine bearing in the 3800. mine spun the front rod bearing @ 125,000. full of oil, we were blaming the plastic plenum for maybe injecting water and pounding out the bearing. wrong! upon the last piece pulled out to vat clean and install cam bearings, we found the answer to the mystery... the camshaft. the front two lobes were mushrooming and pieces were breaking off into the oil. front rod bearing and all the mains were scored and it piggy-backed the front rod bearing. parts to rebuild...$1200. cyl wall wear at 125k...-0-. it mic'd 3.800"
Comment by:
JOHN
11/22/2009
6:17 PM
im changing my timing change on my 1991 buick 3800 motor should i put in the kit for the oil pump to? just behind the harmonic balancer. thank you, john
Comment by:
Marcus
11/18/2009
12:23 PM
My 2001 Impala 3.8 V6 is leaking oil. I noticed that the passenger side under the engine is wet with oil. Anybody know what might be leaking?
Comment by:
Kevin
11/14/2009
6:07 PM
Moris My mechanic changed pretty much everything, just make sure to baby it, i havent driven it since last week when the bearing spun. were looking into a junkyard engine right now, but make sure you check every vac line and point in the car to ensure there are no leaks. Use carb cleaner and spray it around the lines, if the engine races then you found your leak.
Comment by:
Andrew Markel, Editor, Brake & Front End
11/12/2009
5:50 PM
Cylinder heads, balance shafts, pistons, front cover and many other things. Read this:http://www.enginebuildermag.com/Article/4142/rebuilding_the_38l_buick_engine.aspx
Comment by:
charles
11/11/2009
11:02 PM
what is the difference between a 98 and a 2000 3800 series 2 supercharged engine?
Comment by:
Moris
11/9/2009
5:33 PM
I have a 1999 Buick Regal GSE and I am having some of the same problems as Kevin, i think it might be my mass air flow sensor. but i could be wrong. I am getting the same lean Code, and my engine has a very bad lag. So hopefully i get it fixed soon so i don't have to do everything he did.
Comment by:
Kevin
11/8/2009
10:55 PM
Hey All, i have a 97 Grand Prix GT, Well i had a major issue, not only did the upper intake crack but blew a head gasket. After all was fixed i kept getting a CEL for the car running lean. My self and Mechanic were unable to pin point it, checked everything. then on my way home from work yesterday the engine started to lag, turns out i spun a bearing and had shavings in my oil and horrible knocking when reving. Now i need to get a short block and transfer all the new upper intake parts and heads over.....Sucks.
Comment by:
rob berryhill
11/7/2009
11:37 PM
2002 impala with small oil leak , told i need to replace lower intake gasket,also told that when GM went too distribuless ignition the hole that the old distributer went is pluged up and after time they leak oil. have 3800 series 2 engine with 106,0000 miles.
Comment by:
Trevor Andres
10/25/2009
8:40 PM
hi i was just wondering what the difference between a 3.8 and a 3.8 supercharged engine i would like to know if i can take an engine out of a grand prix gt and put it in a gtp and put the supercharger back on thanks
Comment by:
Jonathan Weaver
10/3/2009
8:59 PM
Can a 1995 Oldsmobile Delta 88 3.8 Litre V6 be installed into a 2001 Chevrolet Impala of the Motor mounts are different? Please email to jonathanweav@gmail.com
Comment by:
Chris C
9/14/2009
10:13 PM
Larry Long, check your starter for damage - just had a client with the same issue; nose cone on starter cracked and was banging around on flexplate.
Comment by:
mike powers
9/11/2009
9:31 AM
an 2007 engine will swap with a earlier model, i have done it with great resluts. a brackets around exhaust manifolds may need modification. change O@ sensor, use older intake if not modify intake to fit older TB. Injectors are two short, use older ones, and the fuel rail must be used off the older system. re use egr, knock, and cam/ crank sensors.
Comment by:
Scott Keller
9/7/2009
4:35 AM
To Don Van: There are some slight similarities between the '87 turbo V6 and the '97 3800. But there are more differences. See http://www.gnttype.org/ to get more info on the former. The latter is a much stronger block with a better oil pump, roller cam, and is stronger throughout.
Comment by:
TIm Duncan
9/1/2009
7:07 PM
New development on 3800 series II. 1. Fuel rail issue solved after discovering and correcting leak between rail and top of one of the rear injectors. 2. Hydo lock discovered after engine got hard to crank. Top intake removed again, and discovered more water (in pockets with hidden lower intake bolts). The seal looked to be place, in good shape, and had just been replaced, so reassembled with these same parts. So question is how can water leak into pockets in lower manifold and into cylinders for no apparent reason?
Comment by:
Andrew Markel, Editor
8/30/2009
11:39 PM
Tim, on the fuel rail issue I would check the fuel pump relay. On the EGR isue, I would worry if it is leaking coolant first.
Comment by:
TIm Duncan
8/30/2009
10:24 PM
I am having trouble getting 3.8 series 2 stared after having fuel rail off. Relief value does not emit any fuel even after 50 cycles of the ignition to run the electric fuel pump. What next? Did not think this system would need to be bleed, as it is a return to tank?
Comment by:
TIm Duncan
8/30/2009
10:19 PM
Why is it recommended to replace the lower intake if the upper is showing signs of damage/degradation in the composite around the EGR stove pipe??
Comment by:
TIm Duncan
8/30/2009
10:19 PM
Why is it recommended to replace the lower intake if the upper is showing signs of damage/degradation in the composite around the EGR stove pipe??
Comment by:
Don Van
8/26/2009
6:44 AM
ARE THERE ANY INTERNAL SIMILARITies BETWEEN 1997 3.8 AND 1987 3.8 TURBO MOTOR
Comment by:
daniel watson
8/19/2009
7:26 AM
i have an issue with a 95 buick lesabre with the 3800 seriesII, that is trying me crazy. i have a large oil leak at the harmonic balancer seal ,i'have replaced the seal twice and also installed a speedi-sleeve to the balancer but nothing seems to help , PLEASE HELP!!!
Comment by:
Dave Dunker
8/17/2009
7:25 PM
I have a 96 LeSabre that has a misfire on 1 and 2. New plugs, wires, fuel system checks ok. When the misfire occurs a knocking noise can be heard from the front. Could the balance shaft or balancer cause this? The car has 105,000 miles. It is not a constant problem, it comes and goes.
Comment by:
Frederick Kammers
8/4/2009
9:19 PM
You left out that it Was Oldsmobile in Lansing that made the 3800 what it is today. the blocks that were made in Lansing people in flint wanted those blocks in there cars .
Comment by:
Don Lighthart
7/29/2009
9:45 PM
I have a 1998 Pontiac Grand Prix with the 3800 Series II. The motor is bad and I have an opportunity to purchase a good 3800 from a 1994 Buick. I have read that architecture changed the physical dimensions of the Series II. Are the sizes close enough that the '94 motor will work in the '98?
Comment by:
Mike Chircoski
7/19/2009
10:57 PM
My 02 Impala has the 3.8 gas myzer engine, it runs as new at 275,000 kms...no kidding, my question is, are there timing belts I should be changing at this point?
Comment by:
Wayne
7/16/2009
10:54 AM
how do I replace the radiator on a 2003 impala 3.4 engine
Comment by:
Allen R. Schultz
7/10/2009
10:07 PM
I just bought a 1995 Olds 88 (3.8) with VERY low miles on it. But it didn't run smooth; injecters pluged up? I've put over 1000 miles and 4-5 cans of Sea Foam through it, which has helped a lot, but is still rough. Now mechanic says these 95's ALL have problems with cracked plastic intakes. True? How can I check for this,and how hard and how much to fix it? HE says $600+? A good friend welds plastic at work often. Would this work?
Comment by:
Allen R. Schultz
7/10/2009
9:58 PM
I just bought a 1995 Olds 88 (3.8) with VERY low miles on it. But it didn't run smooth; injecters pluged up? I've put over 1000 miles and 4-5 cans of Sea Foam through it, which has helped a lot, but is still rough. Now mechanic says these 95's ALL have problems with cracked plastic intakes. True? How can I check for this,and how hard and how much to fix it? HE says $600+? A good friend welds plastic at work often. Would this work?
Comment by:
Charles Hannah
6/9/2009
12:14 AM
I own a 2001 pontiac grand prix it is an ok car but the engine is not always what it is talked up to be I replaced intake gaskets and valve cover gaskets and it still leaks oil it has 106,000 miles well taken care of im probably getting a forieng car next no more gm's.
Comment by:
Dude
6/2/2009
10:28 PM
The oem intake plenums aren't the only culprit on these engines causing coolant leaks (although by far the most critical)- the original rear seal holders also corrode away inside, and since the oil and coolant passages are so close together, oil-in-coolant and vice-versa occurs. Fix with updated rear seal holder: GM p/n 24507386. Also don't forget the keyway on the oem cams fail, causing timing problems at the very least. Although all of this sounds horrible, remember that no engine is without its flaws. All in all the 3800 s2 is still a strong engine.. $4000 huh? I could rebuild and install two of them without oem flaws for you for that. Shame..lol
Comment by:
steve
6/2/2009
9:49 PM
hi there, well my 2002 monte carlo's 3.8L engine is done!! 100,000kmm (60,000miles). I replaced the faulty gaskets this past winter at my own expense, since it was older than the gm class action suit would cover. the problem is, i never knew about the gasket problem, until i had it. and the worst part is, that for about 6 months prior, the engine was all of a sudden needing about a quart of oil between oil changes. prior to this, it never burnt a drop. so, i guess the oil and coolant were mixing, and it never dawned on me that it was occuring ( i am no mechanic- however if i was warned "hey, as soon as you burn any oil, get your intake gasket changed'). so, no the engine is making a hell of a racket and the mechanic figures it is the bottom end bearings. i guess this makes sense if coolant was getting down there. so, now i am looking at a $4000 repair to replace the engine, all due to a bloody faulty gasket, and me not being smart enough to wonder why i had to add a quart of oil now and then
Comment by:
Dan
6/1/2009
4:32 PM
I own a 2001 Buick LeSabre which I just bought. It has only 33,000 miles on it and it is the smoothest engine I have ever owned. I can barely sense it idle that is how smooth it is. The only problem I have had is to replace the alternator which was blown as a result of a careless engine shampoo by the dealer. Has run perfectly ever since. Nice to read your review and see my car was a good choice...
Comment by:
joe cockrell
5/21/2009
9:57 AM
own a 98 riviera code po 304 coming up misses at 35 to 50 mph. replaced coil pack and wire to number 4 cylinder still have problem.
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