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Second Generation Repairs: Servicing the GM 3800 Series II Engine

May 12, 2009
The GM 3800 Series II engine, introduced in 1995, is quite a different engine from its predecessor, the Series I engine. While the stroke for the 3.8L engine remained at 3.4" (86 mm), and the bore remained at 3.8" (97 mm), the engine architecture changed dramatically.
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The GM 3800 Series II engine, introduced in 1995, is quite a different engine from its predecessor, the Series I engine. While the stroke for the 3.8L engine remained at 3.4” (86 mm), and the bore remained at 3.8” (97 mm), the engine architecture changed dramatically.

The deck height is shorter than the Series I, which reduced its weight and total engine package size. To make this change, GM engineers required that the piston connecting rods be shortened 1” (25 mm), and to redesign the crankshaft. A new intake manifold improved breathing, while a redesigned cylinder head featured larger valves and a higher compression ratio. The result was a 205 hp and 230 lb.-ft. powerplant that had better fuel economy.

To meet emissions standards of the ’90s, an EGR tube was placed in the intake manifold to reduce combustion temperatures. This increased fuel mileage by a substantial margin and provided GM some engineering success. In fact, the 3800 Series II was on the Ward’s 10 Best Engines list 1995 through ’97.

However, in April, 2009, GM issued a recall on 1.5 million vehicles with this engine due to an oil leak issue that could result in a fire. (See the sidebar at the end of this article).

Figure 1
Did You Know…
The Buick 3.8L has evolved from its humble beginnings as a cheap, easy-to-build, economy motor in 1962, into one of the best pushrod motors in the world.

But did you know that the engine started its “life” as a Buick V8 that had two cylinders “missing”? That was to allow GM to machine it on the same line as their V8 with common tooling. Unfortunately, that meant it had two cylinders missing in the firing order — making it a strange-sounding, rough-riding, odd-firing engine.

While that was fine for the 1960s, it wasn’t good enough in the ’70s and in 1977, Buick split the crank pins to make it into an even-fire motor with smother performance.

Unfortunately, the engine still had a severe primary imbalance because it was a 90° block with a 120° firing order. GM engineers realized that the 3800 would still need a balance shaft to make it suitable for the upscale FWD cars later on. As the engine evolved into the Series I, a gerotor oil pump and roller lifters were added in ’86, on-center bores were added in ’88 along with the balance shaft, and a one-piece rear seal was introduced in ’90.

The 3800 was completely updated in ’95 when it became the Series II motor that was lower, lighter, smoother and more powerful than any of its earlier variations.

Amazingly, it’s been installed in more than 6 million vehicles since 1995. Production of the renowned 3800 V6 engine was officially ended in August 2008, nearly 10 years beyond the automaker’s original plan to cease 3800 engine production in 1999.

That’s quite a tribute to any pushrod motor, let alone one that started in life as a rough-running, odd-firing V6 in the ’60s.
Source: GM media and Engine Builder magazine

Regardless of the recent recall, the 3800 Series II has been a workhorse for GM and has provided years of dependable service. Because of its longevity and use in various GM vehicles, it’s probably an engine that you have become accustomed to seeing in your shop for routine service.

The following are a few common service repairs for the Series II engine.

Abnormal Engine Coolant Consumption or Coolant Leak
Models: 1995-’97 Buick Riviera; 1995-’99 Buick LeSabre, Park Avenue; 1996-’99 Buick Regal; 1998-’99 Chevrolet Lumina, Monte Carlo; 1995-’96 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight; 1995-’99 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight; 1998-’99 Oldsmobile Intrigue; 1995-’99 Pontiac Bonneville; and 1997-’99 Pontiac Grand Prix with the 3.8L engine.

Note: This bulletin, issued in September 2007, is being revised to add to the 1999 model year. You should discard the previous GM Corporate Bulletin Number 01-06-01-007B (Section 06 - Engine).

Condition: Some customers may comment on excessive engine coolant consumption, or an engine coolant leak near or under the throttle body area of the upper intake manifold.

This could be related to upper intake manifold composite material that may degrade around the EGR stove pipe and could result in an internal or external coolant leak.

To make the repair, follow the upper intake manifold removal instructions found in the Engine Unit Repair section of the service information manual.

Figure 2

Refer to the arrow in the illustration of the upper intake manifold (see Figure 1).

Inspect the inner diameter of the EGR passage for signs of material degradation. Degradation will appear as “pitting” of the composite material in the EGR port passage.

If degradation of upper intake manifold composite material is found, replace the lower and upper intake manifolds with the following part numbers:

Part Number    Description
89017554    Gasket Kit, Upper Intake Manifold  
89017272    Manifold Kit, Upper Intake
89017400    Gasket, Lower Intake Manifold  
24508923    Manifold, Lower Intake  

Follow the lower and upper intake manifold installation instructions found in the Engine Unit Repair section of the appropriate service manual.

If degradation is not apparent, evaluate the vehicle for other causes of excessive coolant consumption as noted in the Engine Diagnosis section of the appropriate service manual.

Revised Crankshaft Balancer Service Procedure
Next up, you may have an engine that requires service to the crankshaft balancer on the following vehicles: 1995-’96 Buick LeSabre, Park Avenue, Regal, Riviera; 1995 Chevrolet Lumina APV; 1995-’96 Chevrolet Camaro; 1995 Oldsmobile Silhouette; 1995-’96 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight, Ninety-Eight; 1995 Pontiac Trans Sport; 1995-’96 Pontiac Bonneville and Firebird with 3800 engines.

Be advised that the procedure used to service the crankshaft balancer has been revised. Use the following procedure to properly service the crankshaft balancer on these engines.

According to GM, there has been a running design change in the crankshaft balancer. This change affects 3800 engines built late in the 1995 model year (L27 and L36) and all of 1996 model year (L36 and L67). Refer to the appropriate section in the service manual if you have the previous design crankshaft balancer. Refer to the following procedure using (J 38197-MOD) for the revised design crankshaft balancer. The crankshaft balancer designs can be easily identified by a dimple stamped in the face of the crankshaft balancer (see Figure 2, view B).

This dimple aids in the alignment of J 38197-2 and also identifies the crankshaft key location in relation to the slot in the crankshaft balancer. The special tool (J 38197) and the service procedure used to service the previous design crankshaft balancer have not been revised. Refer to applicable service manual and section for correct service procedures.

For the revised crankshaft balancer design, you will see a round hole drilled in the face of the crankshaft balancer (see Figure 2, view A). This hole does not aid in the alignment of J 38197-2, like the dimple on the previous designed crankshaft balancer. The hole is used to identify the crankshaft key location in relation to the slot in the crankshaft balancer.

Figure 3

The special tool (J 38197) has been revised to reflect the design changes and the new tool is
J 38197-MOD. (If you already have J 38197, it is necessary to only order the J 38197-MOD). The revised crankshaft balancer requires the use of three bolts (J 38197-4). Note: These bolts are 1/4” longer than the previous design. The J 38197-4 bolts are silver, while the previous tool uses black bolts.

Note: The J 38197-4 tool should not be used to service the previous design crankshaft balancer as damage to the balancer may occur by using the longer bolts.

The revised crankshaft balancer may have burrs on the slotted access holes that do not allow the proper alignment of J 38197. If burrs are present, remove them by using one of the following methods:

• File the access hole using a rat-tail file in the proper location.
• Drill an access hole using a drill in the proper location.
• Bend the access hole using a screwdriver in the proper location.

Removal Procedure
1. Hold the flywheel using  J 37096 (see Figure 3).
2. Locate the crankshaft balancer bolt.
3. Remove the crankshaft balancer using J 38197-A and J 38197-MOD (see Figure 4 on page 30).
a. Invert the J 38197-2 so that the leg of the tool is facing away from the crankshaft balancer.
b. Install the silver screws (J 38197-4) to the crankshaft balancer.
c. Turn the J 38197-1 to remove the crankshaft balancer from the crankshaft.
d. Remove the J 38197-1, 2 and 4 from the crankshaft balancer.

Important: The crankshaft balancer is serviced as an assembly. Do not attempt to separate the pulley from the balancer hub.

Figure 4

Tools Required
J 36660 Torque Angle Meter
J 37096 Flywheel Holding Tool
J 38197-A and J 38197-MOD Crankshaft Balancer Puller
J 38197-A Includes:
J 38197-1 Pilot Screw
J 38197-2 Puller Plate
J 38197-3 Puller Screws (Black)
J 38197-4 Puller Screws (Silver)
J 38197-MOD includes:
J 38197-4 Puller Screws (Silver)

Installation Procedure
1. First, lubricate the crankshaft and the inside of the balancer with clean engine oil.
2. Lineup the crankshaft balancer using the small hole to aid in the alignment of the crankshaft key.
3. Install the crankshaft balancer bolt and hold the flywheel using
J 37096.
4. Tighten the bolt to 150 Nm (111 lb.-ft.) + 76° using J 36660.
Source: ALLDATA

General Motors Issues Recall on 3800 V6 Powered Vehicles
General Motors is recalling nearly 1.5 million 1997-2003 vehicles equipped with the 3.8L V6 naturally aspirated engine.

Affected vehicles include: 1997-2003 Buick Regal; 2000-’03 Chevrolet Impala; 1998-’99 Chevrolet Lumina; 1998-2003 Chevrolet Monte Carlo; 1998-’99 Oldsmobile Intrigue and 1997-2003 Pontiac Grand Prix. 

GM said some of these vehicles have a condition in which drops of engine oil may be deposited on the exhaust manifold through hard braking. If the manifold is hot enough and the oil runs below the heat shield, it may ignite into a small flame and may spread to the plastic spark plug wire channel and beyond, increasing the risk of an engine compartment fire.

GM said dealers will remove the spark plug wire retention channel at the front of engine and install two new spark plug wire retainers free of charge. The recall is expected to begin this month and owners and technicians can contact Chevrolet at 1-800-630-2438, Oldsmobile at 1-800-630-6537, and Pontiac at 1-800-620-7668.
Source: General Motors 

Submit a Comment   Comments (32)
Comment by:
Marcus
11/18/2009
12:23 PM
My 2001 Impala 3.8 V6 is leaking oil. I noticed that the passenger side under the engine is wet with oil. Anybody know what might be leaking?
Comment by:
Kevin
11/14/2009
6:07 PM
Moris My mechanic changed pretty much everything, just make sure to baby it, i havent driven it since last week when the bearing spun. were looking into a junkyard engine right now, but make sure you check every vac line and point in the car to ensure there are no leaks. Use carb cleaner and spray it around the lines, if the engine races then you found your leak.
Comment by:
Andrew Markel, Editor, Brake & Front End
11/12/2009
5:50 PM
Cylinder heads, balance shafts, pistons, front cover and many other things. Read this:http://www.enginebuildermag.com/Article/4142/rebuilding_the_38l_buick_engine.aspx
Comment by:
charles
11/11/2009
11:02 PM
what is the difference between a 98 and a 2000 3800 series 2 supercharged engine?
Comment by:
Moris
11/9/2009
5:33 PM
I have a 1999 Buick Regal GSE and I am having some of the same problems as Kevin, i think it might be my mass air flow sensor. but i could be wrong. I am getting the same lean Code, and my engine has a very bad lag. So hopefully i get it fixed soon so i don't have to do everything he did.
Comment by:
Kevin
11/8/2009
10:55 PM
Hey All, i have a 97 Grand Prix GT, Well i had a major issue, not only did the upper intake crack but blew a head gasket. After all was fixed i kept getting a CEL for the car running lean. My self and Mechanic were unable to pin point it, checked everything. then on my way home from work yesterday the engine started to lag, turns out i spun a bearing and had shavings in my oil and horrible knocking when reving. Now i need to get a short block and transfer all the new upper intake parts and heads over.....Sucks.
Comment by:
rob berryhill
11/7/2009
11:37 PM
2002 impala with small oil leak , told i need to replace lower intake gasket,also told that when GM went too distribuless ignition the hole that the old distributer went is pluged up and after time they leak oil. have 3800 series 2 engine with 106,0000 miles.
Comment by:
Trevor Andres
10/25/2009
8:40 PM
hi i was just wondering what the difference between a 3.8 and a 3.8 supercharged engine i would like to know if i can take an engine out of a grand prix gt and put it in a gtp and put the supercharger back on thanks
Comment by:
Jonathan Weaver
10/3/2009
8:59 PM
Can a 1995 Oldsmobile Delta 88 3.8 Litre V6 be installed into a 2001 Chevrolet Impala of the Motor mounts are different? Please email to jonathanweav@gmail.com
Comment by:
Chris C
9/14/2009
10:13 PM
Larry Long, check your starter for damage - just had a client with the same issue; nose cone on starter cracked and was banging around on flexplate.
Comment by:
mike powers
9/11/2009
9:31 AM
an 2007 engine will swap with a earlier model, i have done it with great resluts. a brackets around exhaust manifolds may need modification. change O@ sensor, use older intake if not modify intake to fit older TB. Injectors are two short, use older ones, and the fuel rail must be used off the older system. re use egr, knock, and cam/ crank sensors.
Comment by:
Scott Keller
9/7/2009
4:35 AM
To Don Van: There are some slight similarities between the '87 turbo V6 and the '97 3800. But there are more differences. See http://www.gnttype.org/ to get more info on the former. The latter is a much stronger block with a better oil pump, roller cam, and is stronger throughout.
Comment by:
Larry W Long
9/4/2009
11:32 AM
My 95 Bonneville with the sc3800 has developed a loud bang at startup followed by a loud intermittent rattling while running. The moise is more pronounced at idle and fades as the RPMs increase. A mechanic said this may be the balance shaft moving too far forward for some reason. Is this the cause?
Comment by:
TIm Duncan
9/1/2009
7:07 PM
New development on 3800 series II. 1. Fuel rail issue solved after discovering and correcting leak between rail and top of one of the rear injectors. 2. Hydo lock discovered after engine got hard to crank. Top intake removed again, and discovered more water (in pockets with hidden lower intake bolts). The seal looked to be place, in good shape, and had just been replaced, so reassembled with these same parts. So question is how can water leak into pockets in lower manifold and into cylinders for no apparent reason?
Comment by:
Andrew Markel, Editor
8/30/2009
11:39 PM
Tim, on the fuel rail issue I would check the fuel pump relay. On the EGR isue, I would worry if it is leaking coolant first.
Comment by:
TIm Duncan
8/30/2009
10:24 PM
I am having trouble getting 3.8 series 2 stared after having fuel rail off. Relief value does not emit any fuel even after 50 cycles of the ignition to run the electric fuel pump. What next? Did not think this system would need to be bleed, as it is a return to tank?
Comment by:
TIm Duncan
8/30/2009
10:19 PM
Why is it recommended to replace the lower intake if the upper is showing signs of damage/degradation in the composite around the EGR stove pipe??
Comment by:
TIm Duncan
8/30/2009
10:19 PM
Why is it recommended to replace the lower intake if the upper is showing signs of damage/degradation in the composite around the EGR stove pipe??
Comment by:
Don Van
8/26/2009
6:44 AM
ARE THERE ANY INTERNAL SIMILARITies BETWEEN 1997 3.8 AND 1987 3.8 TURBO MOTOR
Comment by:
daniel watson
8/19/2009
7:26 AM
i have an issue with a 95 buick lesabre with the 3800 seriesII, that is trying me crazy. i have a large oil leak at the harmonic balancer seal ,i'have replaced the seal twice and also installed a speedi-sleeve to the balancer but nothing seems to help , PLEASE HELP!!!
Comment by:
Dave Dunker
8/17/2009
7:25 PM
I have a 96 LeSabre that has a misfire on 1 and 2. New plugs, wires, fuel system checks ok. When the misfire occurs a knocking noise can be heard from the front. Could the balance shaft or balancer cause this? The car has 105,000 miles. It is not a constant problem, it comes and goes.
Comment by:
Frederick Kammers
8/4/2009
9:19 PM
You left out that it Was Oldsmobile in Lansing that made the 3800 what it is today. the blocks that were made in Lansing people in flint wanted those blocks in there cars .
Comment by:
Don Lighthart
7/29/2009
9:45 PM
I have a 1998 Pontiac Grand Prix with the 3800 Series II. The motor is bad and I have an opportunity to purchase a good 3800 from a 1994 Buick. I have read that architecture changed the physical dimensions of the Series II. Are the sizes close enough that the '94 motor will work in the '98?
Comment by:
Mike Chircoski
7/19/2009
10:57 PM
My 02 Impala has the 3.8 gas myzer engine, it runs as new at 275,000 kms...no kidding, my question is, are there timing belts I should be changing at this point?
Comment by:
Wayne
7/16/2009
10:54 AM
how do I replace the radiator on a 2003 impala 3.4 engine
Comment by:
Allen R. Schultz
7/10/2009
10:07 PM
I just bought a 1995 Olds 88 (3.8) with VERY low miles on it. But it didn't run smooth; injecters pluged up? I've put over 1000 miles and 4-5 cans of Sea Foam through it, which has helped a lot, but is still rough. Now mechanic says these 95's ALL have problems with cracked plastic intakes. True? How can I check for this,and how hard and how much to fix it? HE says $600+? A good friend welds plastic at work often. Would this work?
Comment by:
Allen R. Schultz
7/10/2009
9:58 PM
I just bought a 1995 Olds 88 (3.8) with VERY low miles on it. But it didn't run smooth; injecters pluged up? I've put over 1000 miles and 4-5 cans of Sea Foam through it, which has helped a lot, but is still rough. Now mechanic says these 95's ALL have problems with cracked plastic intakes. True? How can I check for this,and how hard and how much to fix it? HE says $600+? A good friend welds plastic at work often. Would this work?
Comment by:
Charles Hannah
6/9/2009
12:14 AM
I own a 2001 pontiac grand prix it is an ok car but the engine is not always what it is talked up to be I replaced intake gaskets and valve cover gaskets and it still leaks oil it has 106,000 miles well taken care of im probably getting a forieng car next no more gm's.
Comment by:
Dude
6/2/2009
10:28 PM
The oem intake plenums aren't the only culprit on these engines causing coolant leaks (although by far the most critical)- the original rear seal holders also corrode away inside, and since the oil and coolant passages are so close together, oil-in-coolant and vice-versa occurs. Fix with updated rear seal holder: GM p/n 24507386. Also don't forget the keyway on the oem cams fail, causing timing problems at the very least. Although all of this sounds horrible, remember that no engine is without its flaws. All in all the 3800 s2 is still a strong engine.. $4000 huh? I could rebuild and install two of them without oem flaws for you for that. Shame..lol
Comment by:
steve
6/2/2009
9:49 PM
hi there, well my 2002 monte carlo's 3.8L engine is done!! 100,000kmm (60,000miles). I replaced the faulty gaskets this past winter at my own expense, since it was older than the gm class action suit would cover. the problem is, i never knew about the gasket problem, until i had it. and the worst part is, that for about 6 months prior, the engine was all of a sudden needing about a quart of oil between oil changes. prior to this, it never burnt a drop. so, i guess the oil and coolant were mixing, and it never dawned on me that it was occuring ( i am no mechanic- however if i was warned "hey, as soon as you burn any oil, get your intake gasket changed'). so, no the engine is making a hell of a racket and the mechanic figures it is the bottom end bearings. i guess this makes sense if coolant was getting down there. so, now i am looking at a $4000 repair to replace the engine, all due to a bloody faulty gasket, and me not being smart enough to wonder why i had to add a quart of oil now and then
Comment by:
Dan
6/1/2009
4:32 PM
I own a 2001 Buick LeSabre which I just bought. It has only 33,000 miles on it and it is the smoothest engine I have ever owned. I can barely sense it idle that is how smooth it is. The only problem I have had is to replace the alternator which was blown as a result of a careless engine shampoo by the dealer. Has run perfectly ever since. Nice to read your review and see my car was a good choice...
Comment by:
joe cockrell
5/21/2009
9:57 AM
own a 98 riviera code po 304 coming up misses at 35 to 50 mph. replaced coil pack and wire to number 4 cylinder still have problem.
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